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Post by warlord247 on Apr 23, 2021 2:25:39 GMT
I've noticed that people on this board, and from EFC, seem to think that Pearl Harbour was a pointless provocation of the U.S. I disagree. The plan was actually great, and would have left the U.S crippled, if it wasn't for the weather being on their side (that seems to be a common theme for the Allies lol.)
Iirc, Japan's plan was a fifteen wave Bombardment, that would have first hit the navy, airfields (which it did) and aircraft carriers (which it didn't.) The whole reason for the attack was because they had a weaker navy, but more aircraft carriers. After they hit those targets, they would then hit repair yards, fuel sheds, and anything else to stop repair, reproduction, and resupply.
Where this plan failed however, was the weather. A storm the night before had delayed the U.S aircraft carriers from going to Harbour by 8 hours. The Japanese, noticing the absence of the U.S carriers called off the attack at about wvae 3-5 (dont remember the exact number unfortunately. ) If the attack had gone correctly, the Pacific theater would have played out in a much different manner.
Something unrelated, but that I find interesting, is that their was only one U.S battleship that wasn't repaired. The USS Arizona was destroyed beyond repair when a bomb dropped in an ammo cache between two 50. Cals. I personally have a great cousin who died on the USS Arizona.
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Post by rommel323 on Apr 23, 2021 2:28:34 GMT
Ah yes. That's true. They had the potenial to cripple the entire US Navy. But I feel that at least Germany must not had declared war on America. They were now opposing Axis directly, in contrast to the material and other aid secretly.
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Post by warlord247 on Apr 23, 2021 2:33:55 GMT
Ah yes. That's true. They had the potenial to cripple the entire US Navy. But I feel that at least Germany must not had declared war on America. They were now opposing Axis directly, in contrast to the material and other aid secretly. Oh don't get me started on Germany! That was no where near their biggest blunder. In fact, I think I'll make a post about that... |
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Post by Napolean I on Apr 23, 2021 5:52:04 GMT
I've noticed that people on this board, and from EFC, seem to think that Pearl Harbour was a pointless provocation of the U.S. I disagree. The plan was actually great, and would have left the U.S crippled, if it wasn't for the weather being on their side (that seems to be a common theme for the Allies lol.) Iirc, Japan's plan was a fifteen wave Bombardment, that would have first hit the navy, airfields (which it did) and aircraft carriers (which it didn't.) The whole reason for the attack was because they had a weaker navy, but more aircraft carriers. After they hit those targets, they would then hit repair yards, fuel sheds, and anything else to stop repair, reproduction, and resupply. Where this plan failed however, was the weather. A storm the night before had delayed the U.S aircraft carriers from going to Harbour by 8 hours. The Japanese, noticing the absence of the U.S carriers called off the attack at about wvae 3-5 (dont remember the exact number unfortunately. ) If the attack had gone correctly, the Pacific theater would have played out in a much different manner. Something unrelated, but that I find interesting, is that their was only one U.S battleship that wasn't repaired. The USS Arizona was destroyed beyond repair when a bomb dropped in an ammo cache between two 50. Cals. I personally have a great cousin who died on the USS Arizona. As far as I can remember, It was planned for Sunday, a holiday and most of the naval personnel were relaxing and after the Japanese striked, they realized to their horror, but it was too late. Fortunately for them, there wasn't, as you said, much damage done. And I feel sad for your great cousin _/\_ |
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Post by Isaac Brock on Apr 24, 2021 17:51:26 GMT
I've noticed that people on this board, and from EFC, seem to think that Pearl Harbour was a pointless provocation of the U.S. I disagree. The plan was actually great, and would have left the U.S crippled, if it wasn't for the weather being on their side (that seems to be a common theme for the Allies lol.) Iirc, Japan's plan was a fifteen wave Bombardment, that would have first hit the navy, airfields (which it did) and aircraft carriers (which it didn't.) The whole reason for the attack was because they had a weaker navy, but more aircraft carriers. After they hit those targets, they would then hit repair yards, fuel sheds, and anything else to stop repair, reproduction, and resupply. Where this plan failed however, was the weather. A storm the night before had delayed the U.S aircraft carriers from going to Harbour by 8 hours. The Japanese, noticing the absence of the U.S carriers called off the attack at about wvae 3-5 (dont remember the exact number unfortunately. ) If the attack had gone correctly, the Pacific theater would have played out in a much different manner. Something unrelated, but that I find interesting, is that their was only one U.S battleship that wasn't repaired. The USS Arizona was destroyed beyond repair when a bomb dropped in an ammo cache between two 50. Cals. I personally have a great cousin who died on the USS Arizona. They could have at least bombed the fuel and repair yards, and then maybe hunt down the carriers that night. |
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Post by warlord247 on Apr 24, 2021 18:30:17 GMT
I've noticed that people on this board, and from EFC, seem to think that Pearl Harbour was a pointless provocation of the U.S. I disagree. The plan was actually great, and would have left the U.S crippled, if it wasn't for the weather being on their side (that seems to be a common theme for the Allies lol.) Iirc, Japan's plan was a fifteen wave Bombardment, that would have first hit the navy, airfields (which it did) and aircraft carriers (which it didn't.) The whole reason for the attack was because they had a weaker navy, but more aircraft carriers. After they hit those targets, they would then hit repair yards, fuel sheds, and anything else to stop repair, reproduction, and resupply. Where this plan failed however, was the weather. A storm the night before had delayed the U.S aircraft carriers from going to Harbour by 8 hours. The Japanese, noticing the absence of the U.S carriers called off the attack at about wvae 3-5 (dont remember the exact number unfortunately. ) If the attack had gone correctly, the Pacific theater would have played out in a much different manner. Something unrelated, but that I find interesting, is that their was only one U.S battleship that wasn't repaired. The USS Arizona was destroyed beyond repair when a bomb dropped in an ammo cache between two 50. Cals. I personally have a great cousin who died on the USS Arizona. They could have at least bombed the fuel and repair yards, and then maybe hunt down the carriers that night. With hindsight it seems obvious, but at the time they were fearful of a counter attack. |
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Post by Napolean I on Apr 25, 2021 12:59:10 GMT
They could have at least bombed the fuel and repair yards, and then maybe hunt down the carriers that night. With hindsight it seems obvious, but at the time they were fearful of a counter attack. And a counterattack they received! |
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on May 30, 2021 10:26:49 GMT
Ah yes. That's true. They had the potenial to cripple the entire US Navy. But I feel that at least Germany must not had declared war on America. They were now opposing Axis directly, in contrast to the material and other aid secretly. Actually before USA joined ,it was paid by Britain, first through cash and carry and later by transferring bases in Americas. |
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on May 30, 2021 10:28:37 GMT
If Japan has won midway and captured all islands in Pacific then they could have won or atleast defended successfully against USA.
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 7, 2021 12:33:32 GMT
IMO, Japan should have instead made a truce with the Nationalists (they had American Backing), and declared war on the true enemy, The Soviet Union. Stay at peace with the Western powers and instead fight their enemy. In any case, they had border conflicts for forever.
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 7, 2021 13:07:27 GMT
IMO, Japan should have instead made a truce with the Nationalists (they had American Backing), and declared war on the true enemy, The Soviet Union. Stay at peace with the Western powers and instead fight their enemy. In any case, they had border conflicts for forever. War with USSR was not worth the cost, even if they win, what they would get? Uninhabitable forests of Siberia. |
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Post by Gerd von Rundstedt on Jun 7, 2021 14:54:48 GMT
IMO, Japan should have instead made a truce with the Nationalists (they had American Backing), and declared war on the true enemy, The Soviet Union. Stay at peace with the Western powers and instead fight their enemy. In any case, they had border conflicts for forever. War with USSR was not worth the cost, even if they win, what they would get? Uninhabitable forests of Siberia. Prestige in the world, potential backing from Britain/US, funding cuts to Commie Guerillas, Reduced Border disputes in the future, potentiality to help Germany defeat the Soviet Union (in hindsight it would have been futile, though), and Huge oil, gas, and coal deposits. |
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 8, 2021 1:29:08 GMT
War with USSR was not worth the cost, even if they win, what they would get? Uninhabitable forests of Siberia. Prestige in the world, potential backing from Britain/US, funding cuts to Commie Guerillas, Reduced Border disputes in the future, potentiality to help Germany defeat the Soviet Union (in hindsight it would have been futile, though), and Huge oil, gas, and coal deposits. That is not what Japanese high command wanted. They wanted more territories, not dependence on foreign powers. |
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Post by rommel323 on Jun 15, 2021 3:05:56 GMT
IMO, Japan should have instead made a truce with the Nationalists (they had American Backing), and declared war on the true enemy, The Soviet Union. Stay at peace with the Western powers and instead fight their enemy. In any case, they had border conflicts for forever. Then it could had been the end of Soviet Union. But what's the point in attacking Siberia? |
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 15, 2021 3:06:54 GMT
IMO, Japan should have instead made a truce with the Nationalists (they had American Backing), and declared war on the true enemy, The Soviet Union. Stay at peace with the Western powers and instead fight their enemy. In any case, they had border conflicts for forever. Then it could had been the end of Soviet Union. But what's the point in attacking Siberia? I believe a repeat of Khalkin Gol |
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