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Post by rommel323 on Jun 2, 2021 5:27:57 GMT
How could have Chiang Kai Shek won? And how different our world would have been?
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 2, 2021 6:35:45 GMT
How could have Chiang Kai Shek won? And how different our world would have been? There are many ways. He should had tried to decrease influence of warlords in Quomintang and be more friendly towards masses. He shouldn't have indulged fight the Communists in the midst of Japanese invasion. Communists portrayed that Chiang was wasting the resources,that they got as help from allies to Chinese United Front against Japanese, to suppress them. This decreased sympathy towards Chiang and increased towards Mao internationally. He should have tried to remain friendly with Soviet Union.
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Post by rommel323 on Jun 2, 2021 7:52:44 GMT
How could have Chiang Kai Shek won? And how different our world would have been? There are many ways. He should had tried to decrease influence of warlords in Quomintang and be more friendly towards masses. He shouldn't have indulged fight the Communists in the midst of Japanese invasion. Communists portrayed that Chiang was wasting the resources,that they got as help from allies to Chinese United Front against Japanese, to suppress them. This decreased sympathy towards Chiang and increased towards Mao internationally. He should have tried to remain friendly with Soviet Union. 1. Warlords did had a massive influence and he allowed them to get away. Perhaps, he must not had been so intolerant towards the communists during the early phase. 2. True. 3. How could he had done that? Wasn't he anti-communist?
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 2, 2021 12:26:05 GMT
There are many ways. He should had tried to decrease influence of warlords in Quomintang and be more friendly towards masses. He shouldn't have indulged fight the Communists in the midst of Japanese invasion. Communists portrayed that Chiang was wasting the resources,that they got as help from allies to Chinese United Front against Japanese, to suppress them. This decreased sympathy towards Chiang and increased towards Mao internationally. He should have tried to remain friendly with Soviet Union. 1. Warlords did had a massive influence and he allowed them to get away. Perhaps, he must not had been so intolerant towards the communists during the early phase. 2. True. 3. How could he had done that? Wasn't he anti-communist? 3. Was Hitler a communist?
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Post by rommel323 on Jun 4, 2021 12:03:04 GMT
1. Warlords did had a massive influence and he allowed them to get away. Perhaps, he must not had been so intolerant towards the communists during the early phase. 2. True. 3. How could he had done that? Wasn't he anti-communist? 3. Was Hitler a communist? No but he eventually turned over USSR and he hated communists.
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 5, 2021 1:16:02 GMT
3. Was Hitler a communist? No but he eventually turned over USSR and he hated communists. USSR was the main foreign ally of kuomintang during 1920s. Kuomintang was divided into two factions- one left wing and other right wing with Sun Yat Sen working as the glue between them. Chiang was considered a right winger but with communist sympathies till he learned of a alleged CCP-left plan to overthrow him and after some suspicious activities, at first he decides to exile himself to Japan but later decided to stay and then he started purging Kuomintang after forcing Wang Jingwei and his family to go on a vacation. Chiang also asked USSR to take back most of military advisors and sent a set of demands which were designed to decrease Soviet influence but Soviet Aid should continue. Most Soviet leaders including Trotsky were outraged but to everyone's surprise Stalin agreed ( one reason could be that Stalin was impressed by Chiang's bold actions). The Northern Expedition was successful and Beiyang government was defeated. Chiang didn't try to improve the relations with USSR and this was a mistake.
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Post by rommel323 on Jun 5, 2021 13:35:55 GMT
No but he eventually turned over USSR and he hated communists. USSR was the main foreign ally of kuomintang during 1920s. Kuomintang was divided into two factions- one left wing and other right wing with Sun Yat Sen working as the glue between them. Chiang was considered a right winger but with communist sympathies till he learned of a alleged CCP-left plan to overthrow him and after some suspicious activities, at first he decides to exile himself to Japan but later decided to stay and then he started purging Kuomintang after forcing Wang Jingwei and his family to go on a vacation. Chiang also asked USSR to take back most of military advisors and sent a set of demands which were designed to decrease Soviet influence but Soviet Aid should continue. Most Soviet leaders including Trotsky were outraged but to everyone's surprise Stalin agreed ( one reason could be that Stalin was impressed by Chiang's bold actions). The Northern Expedition was successful and Beiyang government was defeated. Chiang didn't try to improve the relations with USSR and this was a mistake. That's a good point. Also, the Kuomintang forces were the ones who fought against the Japanese, whereas Communists waged guerilla warfare. How much does this contribute?
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Post by Adozf Hitzer on Jun 5, 2021 13:54:08 GMT
USSR was the main foreign ally of kuomintang during 1920s. Kuomintang was divided into two factions- one left wing and other right wing with Sun Yat Sen working as the glue between them. Chiang was considered a right winger but with communist sympathies till he learned of a alleged CCP-left plan to overthrow him and after some suspicious activities, at first he decides to exile himself to Japan but later decided to stay and then he started purging Kuomintang after forcing Wang Jingwei and his family to go on a vacation. Chiang also asked USSR to take back most of military advisors and sent a set of demands which were designed to decrease Soviet influence but Soviet Aid should continue. Most Soviet leaders including Trotsky were outraged but to everyone's surprise Stalin agreed ( one reason could be that Stalin was impressed by Chiang's bold actions). The Northern Expedition was successful and Beiyang government was defeated. Chiang didn't try to improve the relations with USSR and this was a mistake. That's a good point. Also, the Kuomintang forces were the ones who fought against the Japanese, whereas Communists waged guerilla warfare. How much does this contribute? Communists did not fought Guerrilla warfare, they also fought like Kuomintang but they were not the target of the offensives due to them occupying no strategic area, this allowed them to prepare their troops. They launched their first biggest offensive known as 100 regiment offensive in 1940 which failed but they were able to prove that they can recruit army too.
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Post by rommel323 on Jun 5, 2021 14:37:29 GMT
That's a good point. Also, the Kuomintang forces were the ones who fought against the Japanese, whereas Communists waged guerilla warfare. How much does this contribute? Communists did not fought Guerrilla warfare, they also fought like Kuomintang but they were not the target of the offensives due to them occupying no strategic area, this allowed them to prepare their troops. They launched their first biggest offensive known as 100 regiment offensive in 1940 which failed but they were able to prove that they can recruit army too. Deep.
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